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Post by Madfox on May 3, 2016 3:20:56 GMT
Here's what we have currently:
Opener: I'll be Fine
The Fallen Attorney
Lawyers like Us/ The Objection Song/ Olga Orly's Testimony/ Oh Really, Orly
Ace up your Sleeve
What tangled webs we weave
Something to cover the aftermath of the trial
The Culprit is Phoenix Wright-- Winston Payne's song
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Post by Noelle on May 3, 2016 14:31:58 GMT
Are we going to have small songs that introduce all the major characters or not?
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Post by Diana on May 3, 2016 15:36:40 GMT
Maybe we could start the new "Justice for All" song with Phoenix, disenchanted, singing something along the lines of "Once I fought for truth, once I fought for justice" with a similar melody but a different meter and emphasis. Then, go into an original song from there. (You can make a song sound incredibly different by changing the timing of the notes-- see the "Unlimited/Together we're unlimited" in Wicked. It's the same melody as the first line of "Somewhere over the Rainbow", but you'd never notice. We should do this TOO much, but I think it would be cool to play with as a shout out to JFA.)
Also, an idea for the "Objection Elegy" idea that I had would be to focus around how Kristoph values keeping a "Poker Face" in court. Back when I was playing with ideas for a show like this, that was a theme I was playing off of a lot, since it played into the Gramaryes as well. It was kind of a hybrid of what is covered thematically in The Objection Song and Justice For all, setting up Kristoph as something of a foil for Mia, and how differently the two of them approach the justice system.
I don't want to gunk up this thread with planning, so I'll leave it there, but just some ideas!
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Post by Madfox on May 3, 2016 22:24:19 GMT
I'm actually really upset over the whole wicked thing now.
Since this post is the tentative song list, this page is mostly for brainstorming, so feel free to gunk it up with planning. Once we have a final song list we'll replace this thread with that.
I love your idea! I even have a 2 minute brainstorm we probably won't end up using hahaha.
Once I fought for truth, once I fought for justice, But now Justice is the one I have betrayed, He believed in me but now he is dismayed I'm a five-o-clock shadow of a man that will decay.
I don't know how we're going to portray Phoenix here. Is he an anti-hero? Does he feel guilty for using Apollo? Is he vengeful, or did he really just point the finger of justice in the right direction? He mentions in Dual Destinies he found Apollo to be more loud than reliable when we first met him, and we know that he's redeemed in Dual Destinies, but there's not a clear transition there. Just a thought.
I can think of the Objection elegy being similar to Polonius' speech to Laertes in Hamlet-- Kristoph just dumps a lot of advice on Apollo that he's a little too reckless to use. (Sorry, I'm writing a 15 page paper on Hamlet right now. It's on the mind.)
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Post by Diana on May 4, 2016 2:45:23 GMT
I like it! That's a great starting point.
I don't think, at this time, you should worry too much about completely finalizing song lists, or charactetizations, or really much of anything. These kinds of projects, in my experience, work best when you let them be organic for a while. Brainstorm tons of stuff, make a million dofferent versions of the same scenes or songs--just let your creativity shine through! I think you guys have a lot of potential here. Give yourselves time to let it shine!
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Post by Madfox on May 4, 2016 2:53:16 GMT
The song list seemed like it would be helpful, but if you think it's better to avoid that, it's fine by me.
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Post by Diana on May 4, 2016 15:26:24 GMT
I think it's a good idea to know where you will have songs--which plot beats are important enough to warrant it--but I just recommend avoiding setting too much in stone too early in the process.  Sorry, I don't ever mean to come off like a know-it-all or anything. I'm just here to sit in the corner offering useless wisdom, ahha.
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Post by Madfox on May 4, 2016 17:02:00 GMT
Nah, that makes sense. I wouldn't want to set anything in stone. I'm super detail oriented though, so the idea of "go off and write a thing" is really freaking me out. XD
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Post by Diana on May 4, 2016 17:22:08 GMT
Hahaha, I can sympathize with that. I mean, you can kind of have both, as long as you're flexible with changing those details later! I think the key to huge collaborations is just being flexible, probably.
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Post by Kai on May 4, 2016 20:45:41 GMT
I think it starts in the courthouse. Because Apollo is super prepared
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Post by apollojustice4all on May 4, 2016 20:59:31 GMT
Ideas for the opener:
It starts with Phoenix singing a short stanza, possibly about either the events of the murder or the Dark age of the law. In the background the only instrument would be a piano playing a slow simple melody- something Phoenix would be able to play.
Then the music would kinda swell, and more instruments would join in and we would go to Apollo. Apollo's part would be much more faster and energetic. We should probably draw parallels to Turnabout Musical by having it be about Apollo getting ready in the morning for his first trial. However, unlike August Day where Phoenix starts out late for his first day, Apollo probably got up at like 5 in the morning to practice his Chords of Steel or something.
Since we cant call it August Day(seeing as the trial takes place in april) I was thinking of names like Dawn of a New Era or A Light in the Dark to sort of signify Apollo bringing about the start of the end of the Dark age of the Law
If we want have more parallels with August Day, we could do the thing where there are all the characters that we'll meet later are singing about something as Apollo is going to the courthouse possible ideas for this include: Wocky and Alita discussing their wedding Guy Eldoon trying to sell Wesley Stickler a bowl of noodles Klavier dealing with his adoring fans Ema complaing about her job to someone Spark Brushel trying to get an interview with Valant Graymare
Thats all i've got for now. Will return later with more disconjointed ideas
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Post by Diana on May 4, 2016 21:38:07 GMT
I think it starts in the courthouse. Because Apollo is super prepared Hahaha, yea, in one of the drafts of the opener I posted, he just. Shows up before the doors are unlocked. Because he can't help himself. He's TOO PREPARED. I like that we're all on the same page that Apollo is just WAY OVEREAGER. Apollo4all (that is your name now), Kai and I were working on some similar ideas in the "I'm Fine" song thread (and, secondarily, in the "Here Comes Justice" thread.) You should take a look and contribute your thoughts!
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Post by piercethesilverowl on Aug 16, 2016 7:16:22 GMT
Umm... If I can say something... What if Apollo is the one to remix "Justice For All", at the end of the first act? I don't know if it'd work... But he's the one fighting for justice, here. He's (sorta) the main character. He walks in all ready for court, and leaves disenchanted, singing a dark reprise of the song about how all his hopes were crushed. He wanted to fight for justice, but now? He's not really sure what he just fought for.
Think "Reawakening". One of the lines could even be "How can you call this justice...for all?"
I just feel like if we keep the focus too much on Phoenix now, it will shift the focus away from the original narrative. If that's what the goal is, I'm sorry I missed that part, but I wonder if it'd be better to drive home that the torch has been passed. First, Mia sang this song. Then, Phoenix sang it with her at his side. Then, Apollo sings it, maybe with Phoenix having a verse, or the trade off lines for part of it. Or maybe Kristoph sings, then Phoenix, and then we have Apollo in the middle, having a crisis over what justice really is.
I know nothing is set in stone, but... It came to me in the middle of the night. If I don't type it down somewhere, I'll never remember.
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Post by Kai on Aug 16, 2016 21:59:02 GMT
Umm... If I can say something... What if Apollo is the one to remix "Justice For All", at the end of the first act? I don't know if it'd work... But he's the one fighting for justice, here. He's (sorta) the main character. He walks in all ready for court, and leaves disenchanted, singing a dark reprise of the song about how all his hopes were crushed. He wanted to fight for justice, but now? He's not really sure what he just fought for. Think "Reawakening". One of the lines could even be "How can you call this justice...for all?" I just feel like if we keep the focus too much on Phoenix now, it will shift the focus away from the original narrative. If that's what the goal is, I'm sorry I missed that part, but I wonder if it'd be better to drive home that the torch has been passed. First, Mia sang this song. Then, Phoenix sang it with her at his side. Then, Apollo sings it, maybe with Phoenix having a verse, or the trade off lines for part of it. Or maybe Kristoph sings, then Phoenix, and then we have Apollo in the middle, having a crisis over what justice really is. I know nothing is set in stone, but... It came to me in the middle of the night. If I don't type it down somewhere, I'll never remember. Unfortunately, although we can include shout outs, Justice for All is copyrighted and I don't want to cause any sort of infringement violation. However, a song between Apollo, Nick, and Kristrash sounds cool! I really should work on orchestrating the opening.
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Post by piercethesilverowl on Aug 17, 2016 0:06:05 GMT
Umm... If I can say something... What if Apollo is the one to remix "Justice For All", at the end of the first act? I don't know if it'd work... But he's the one fighting for justice, here. He's (sorta) the main character. He walks in all ready for court, and leaves disenchanted, singing a dark reprise of the song about how all his hopes were crushed. He wanted to fight for justice, but now? He's not really sure what he just fought for. Think "Reawakening". One of the lines could even be "How can you call this justice...for all?" I just feel like if we keep the focus too much on Phoenix now, it will shift the focus away from the original narrative. If that's what the goal is, I'm sorry I missed that part, but I wonder if it'd be better to drive home that the torch has been passed. First, Mia sang this song. Then, Phoenix sang it with her at his side. Then, Apollo sings it, maybe with Phoenix having a verse, or the trade off lines for part of it. Or maybe Kristoph sings, then Phoenix, and then we have Apollo in the middle, having a crisis over what justice really is. I know nothing is set in stone, but... It came to me in the middle of the night. If I don't type it down somewhere, I'll never remember. Unfortunately, although we can include shout outs, Justice for All is copyrighted and I don't want to cause any sort of infringement violation. However, a song between Apollo, Nick, and Kristrash sounds cool! I really should work on orchestrating the opening. The song is copyrighted? How exactly does that work? Isn't it a fan work to start with? Not saying we shouldn't get permission, should this go further, but that's interesting. Still, someone could do what an earlier post suggested, and alter the melody. Only music writing I've honestly done much of is creating harmonies in established songs (it's fun. Ever heard Skyfall in three parts?)
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Post by Kai on Aug 17, 2016 9:50:54 GMT
Unfortunately, although we can include shout outs, Justice for All is copyrighted and I don't want to cause any sort of infringement violation. However, a song between Apollo, Nick, and Kristrash sounds cool! I really should work on orchestrating the opening. The song is copyrighted? How exactly does that work? Isn't it a fan work to start with? Not saying we shouldn't get permission, should this go further, but that's interesting. Still, someone could do what an earlier post suggested, and alter the melody. Only music writing I've honestly done much of is creating harmonies in established songs (it's fun. Ever heard Skyfall in three parts?) Actually, TriForceBun is the only person who copyrighted his songs, those that aren't written by Tri are not copyrighted. So basically half of the PWMP is copyrighted and the other half isn't. (Haha silly Tri.) Justice For All is one of the copyrighted songs.  Sorry pal.
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Post by gyakutentrial on Aug 18, 2016 1:25:48 GMT
could we think about asking?
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Post by CooBall on Aug 18, 2016 4:18:48 GMT
could we think about asking? It would probably be best to establish ourselves as something... official? Proper? Or maybe show that we're serious? Idk they were really super duper successful so until we have something to show off that hey look we're doing this, we should probably wait. Something like say... an animated Here Comes Justice in the vein of "August Day"?
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Post by gyakutentrial on Aug 18, 2016 5:05:14 GMT
could we think about asking? It would probably be best to establish ourselves as something... official? Proper? Or maybe show that we're serious? Idk they were really super duper successful so until we have something to show off that hey look we're doing this, we should probably wait. Something like say... an animated Here Comes Justice in the vein of "August Day"? whoops. i'm already working on it
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Post by Madfox on Aug 18, 2016 18:26:43 GMT
We went through this at the start of the project, actually. We really wanted to do exactly what you suggested, but we were told that we couldn't take their melodies or lyrics except in short cameos.
Our musical needs to stand on its own merit. We won't have the same learning experience or finished project if we don't do what we're doing now. We've come really far and defied my expectations again and again. We have a long way to go, but we aren't going to hitchhike. We gotta walk.
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Post by CooBall on Aug 18, 2016 19:03:10 GMT
That was.... really really inspiring actually.
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Post by gyakutentrial on Aug 18, 2016 21:17:01 GMT
We went through this at the start of the project, actually. We really wanted to do exactly what you suggested, but we were told that we couldn't take their melodies or lyrics except in short cameos. Our musical needs to stand on its own merit. We won't have the same learning experience or finished project if we don't do what we're doing now. We've come really far and defied my expectations again and again. We have a long way to go, but we aren't going to hitchhike. We gotta walk. i literaly just got chills
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Post by Madfox on Aug 20, 2016 19:52:46 GMT
Glad I'm inspiring XD
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Post by Kai on Aug 20, 2016 23:06:03 GMT
Ah yes, now Madfox can do the inspiring and I can go cry about this orchestration BECAUSE I AM SLOWLY RUNNING OUT OF INSTRUMENTS AND I CAN'T WRITE SHEET MUSIC FUN FACT.
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Post by Lumos314 on Aug 21, 2016 20:57:04 GMT
OOH ooh I can help with instrumentation and sheet music!
But to bring this back on topic, the song list.
Here Comes Justice!
Intro thing?
Ace up your Sleeve
What Tangled Webs we Weave
The Privilege of Being Blind
...Right?
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Post by Madfox on Sept 15, 2016 21:22:30 GMT
Something like that, yeah
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Post by SkyeSisters on Oct 17, 2016 16:57:28 GMT
Moving on to the song to cover the aftermath, then, am I right in assuming that this is the section where Apollo hits Phoenix? If so, perhaps the lyrics for the chorus could go something like:-
Phoenix: (sung) You've played your cards
You've rolled the dice
There's nothing more to say
You've helped protect an innocent life
Although the law will decay
It's okay if you're standing strong
To stumble and to fall
Apollo, you've made a difference
No matter how sma-
*punch sound effect*
Apollo: Take that, Mr Wright!
Phoenix: Hey, what was that for?
Apollo: It's your fault I presented forged evidence! You'd think you of all people would have learned your lesson.
Phoenix: ...
Apollo: (horrified) W-wait...I didn't mean-
Phoenix: (sung) It's okay, Apollo; I understand
...I want you to take this.
Apollo: Your business card? I-
Phoenix: Don't be alarmed
Just, don't call me remiss
Come by sometime
I'll help you shine
A great lawyer, you will be
...this was fun.
I trust you, Apollo. Thank you for believing in me.
I'm not sure about the name though. Maybe the phrase "It's Okay" could repeat itself?
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Post by gyakutentrial on Oct 20, 2016 2:00:35 GMT
Moving on to the song to cover the aftermath, then, am I right in assuming that this is the section where Apollo hits Phoenix? If so, perhaps the lyrics for the chorus could go something like:- Phoenix: (sung) You've played your cards You've rolled the dice There's nothing more to say You've helped protect an innocent life Although the law will decay It's okay if you're standing strong To stumble and to fall Apollo, you've made a difference No matter how sma- *punch sound effect* Apollo: Take that, Mr Wright!
Phoenix: Hey, what was that for?
Apollo: It's your fault I presented forged evidence! You'd think you of all people would have learned your lesson.
Phoenix: ... Apollo: (horrified) W-wait...I didn't mean-
Phoenix: (sung) It's okay, Apollo; I understand ...I want you to take this. Apollo: Your business card? I-
Phoenix: Don't be alarmed Just, don't call me remiss Come by sometime I'll help you shine A great lawyer, you will be ...this was fun. I trust you, Apollo. Thank you for believing in me.
I'm not sure about the name though. Maybe the phrase "It's Okay" could repeat itself? I love this!!
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Post by Madfox on Oct 27, 2016 0:43:45 GMT
The Privilege of Being Blind IS the aftermath song. But the first two stanzas are really good.
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Post by Kai on Oct 31, 2016 15:50:13 GMT
OK so what is this "privilege of being blind" I haven't heard it at all.
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