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Post by Madfox on Jun 12, 2016 4:53:47 GMT
Rather than detail Phoenix's entire time-traveling experience through the mason system, I'd rather just have a song where Phoenix is almost breaking down. Kinda like the "I know what I'm doing is right!!! But what if it's not?" that we saw in Decree of the Prosecutor.
All the information we really need to know from the Mason adventure:
Phoenix adopted Trucy Trucy and Apollo are both the children of Thalassa Thalassa was shot in an accident Magnifi's death was a suicide The secret of the bracelets
All of the stuff about Shadi Smith being Trucy's father and Vera having Kristoph's nailpolish can be revealed during the trial portion.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 12, 2016 6:06:26 GMT
I believe the idea of the 'breakdown of phoenix' song is actually a great idea! Then we can put all of that information in there with somewhat ease! So we can cram a lot into one song, and condense the overall act c:
Also, I'm trying to cram a lot of the details into Vera's song so that we don't have to have extra songs about her past and her father etc. c:
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Post by Madfox on Jun 12, 2016 20:09:41 GMT
We want to convey as much information as we can without getting confusing. It's better to leave out information than to leave everyone confused! We have to be creative with how we do this-- Apollo doesn't need to be in every song! I do like what you've got. Keep trucking!
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Post by Oracle on Jun 12, 2016 20:19:49 GMT
I will do! I'm hoping if I try my best to [chronologically] get some bits into place, we can afford to miss out quite a bit of the MASON system, since it's mostly just buildup to the final stretch of nailing Kristoph in court! ^ v ^
If I do seem to be trying to get too much in, just tell me :3
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Post by Lumos314 on Jun 12, 2016 20:51:57 GMT
Yeah!
When I looked over act 2, I tried to eliminate pieces of evidence that could be proven another way, or testimony that didn't do much more than go from point B to point C when we're trying to get from A to D.
I love the idea of taking out the MASON system, mostly because I didn't understand the purpose of it in the first place. Why not just a flashback case like in T&T? So taking it out is great!!
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Post by Oracle on Jun 12, 2016 21:00:58 GMT
Yeah! I'll probably start trying to do something like that once I finish the case summary [i'm gettin' there i might skip the MASON system entirely from now on because we're taking it out] and I think it'll be a lot easier when we do start trying to group everything together tidily!
But yeah, I got pretty confused by it too, like why??? XDD
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Post by Lumos314 on Jun 12, 2016 21:18:18 GMT
Actually, keeping The MASON system in for the case summary might be good, so we can easily reference what we're missing. If it's too much work, though, it's fine to just summarize it in a bullet point.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 12, 2016 21:28:03 GMT
I'll probably be able to get some summary down for each, but I'll try not to go into too much detail after all it does get a little confusing x) It's okay I'll be finishing my exams pretty soon [tuesday 21st] so i should have more time to focus more heavily on this then!
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Post by Madfox on Jun 13, 2016 12:03:37 GMT
You're doing fantastic. Thank you.
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Post by Shai on Jun 17, 2016 6:00:22 GMT
A question! What about Kristoph's breakdown? I do believe it is important to include Kris's "WRIIIIIIIIGHT" in the musical and to show his demise, but how would this play out? I have the idea to have Kristoph "theoretically" explain what he would have done if he was Misham's killer with the nail polish and all that (since in the game Apollo and Klavier state the explanation for this and Kris brushes it off as a "wonderful tale"), and maybe make it look like it would be clear that he murdered Misham AND Shadi Smith aka Zak, but remembers that he is just telling things theoretically.
And to include that glorious "WRIIIIIIGHT" as the end to the song. So I suppose this would be a pretty long song. Basically I just want Kristoph to have his own song
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Post by Oracle on Jun 17, 2016 11:27:18 GMT
Um um um!!! If I may, I'd like to suggest that for Kristoph's breakdown, it could be fast-paced, and eerie-sounding
something along the lines of 'this story that you fabricate, you're saying that i struck him down again? i'll get you for this, mister justice'
then some more song like probably quite a bit of song, and then
'it's nothing but a wonderful tale, mister justice i sense you will not fail, but i must admit the story isn't a myth, i will exalt my revenge phoenix wriiiiiiiiiight!
this is mostly just brainstorming as said in the thread title, but we could do something like that to incorporate an overall theme of 'it's just a wonderful tale' until the last three lines, where he just 'cracks' or something? and the last line would slow down quite a bit
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Post by Madfox on Jun 19, 2016 3:40:10 GMT
I'd love to see the song start out with a very strict rhyme/meter and just slowly degrade.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 19, 2016 6:36:17 GMT
That's a pretty good idea! As in, it'd represent Kristoph's state of mind! Yeah, I like it :D
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Post by Shai on Jun 21, 2016 21:30:44 GMT
I'd love to see the song start out with a very strict rhyme/meter and just slowly degrade. Oooohh that would be great!! I'll see if I can create the song around this idea :3
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Post by Kai on Jun 22, 2016 1:51:44 GMT
I'd love to see the song start out with a very strict rhyme/meter and just slowly degrade. Literally took the words out of my hands. This is why you are Kyouya.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 22, 2016 20:27:00 GMT
I was thinking today about a possible title for a Kristoph song
How's about 'A Misham Regular'? I remember reading those words in a fanfiction...??? But it'd fit somewhat well tbh, since Kristoph /was/ a Misham regular after all x)
Just a little idea I had!
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Post by Shai on Jun 22, 2016 22:35:22 GMT
I was thinking today about a possible title for a Kristoph song How's about 'A Misham Regular'? I remember reading those words in a fanfiction...??? But it'd fit somewhat well tbh, since Kristoph /was/ a Misham regular after all x) Just a little idea I had! Ooh yeah that does sound like a cool title
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Post by Madfox on Jun 23, 2016 11:30:04 GMT
I'd love to see the song start out with a very strict rhyme/meter and just slowly degrade. Literally took the words out of my hands. This is why you are Kyouya. More like I'm Kay! Doing all the dirty work and having you give me weird looks as I steal the truth, jump to crazy conclusions, and force you to fix my conundrums
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Post by Kai on Jun 26, 2016 18:07:05 GMT
Literally took the words out of my hands. This is why you are Kyouya. More like I'm Kay! Doing all the dirty work and having you give me weird looks as I steal the truth, jump to crazy conclusions, and force you to fix my conundrums XD Yeah true.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 5, 2016 8:36:37 GMT
Wait, I was thunkin' that for this case, maybe we could have songs for
Pre-Trial [detention centre] Investigating Drew Studio then possibly split Trial Day 1 into two? but if we're cut for time, we could probably do it in one [ending with Vera being hospitalised] The Gramarye Murder Case, could possibly be split into two or more again The Bare-bones song for the MASON System [with the information Madfox listed, possibly also with phoenix recounting discovering the letter in Kristoph's cell at the end?]
Final Trial Segment, this would possibly have to be split up into multiple parts?
and then if we have some spare time, a concluding song,with the 'aftermath' sorta thing?
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Post by Madfox on Jul 6, 2016 3:23:26 GMT
I think the Gramarye case could be covered in a song with Phoenix and Valant chatting it up in front of Sunshine Coliseum! That would also fix up some of the issues with von Karma's game (or whatever we're calling it).
One of my favorite scenes in the game was Phoenix assigning this case to Apollo. It was tense and awkward and there was pudding and Apollo wanted some. Since this case sort of rides on Phoenix's involvement, I think it's important to have that scene in there.
Drew Studio is critical for facts AND Ema's character development. Pre-trial is critical for facts. Literally all of the facts we are basing the Misham murder on needs to be established in those two songs.
As far as length goes, we need to remove as much as possible from the plot while still having it make sense. However, we absolutely cannot sacrifice quality for quantity. Our focus needs to be on being funny and being emotional, not on covering every little plot detail.
Let's say you have the following details:
A. Drew Misham was drinking coffee B. The rim of his cup had atroquinine on it C. The atroquinine is deadly with a super tiny dose and kills in 15 minutes D. Drew Misham died
We literally just need to get from A to D: Drew Misham had his coffee poisoned. We have to be concise, but it HAS to make sense.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 6, 2016 6:21:22 GMT
Okay! So, we need to add a Pre-Pretrial song with Phoenix assigning over the case to Apollo
and we need to snip it down in terms of detail of the cases, gotcha! so like, instead of saying all that literally just make the point that drew died of poisoning
I'll probably be working some more facts and stuff into the Pre-Trial song then, since I've mostly made it up of character development right now :3c
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Post by Madfox on Jul 6, 2016 16:59:58 GMT
That's why I wanted to remove the locket from Act 1- it's not crucial to the plot and to explain it would add 2-3 minutes to our show. I just wanted to say "This guy got killed. Phoenix had no motive. Orly testified that Phoenix cheated, and that was his motive. Apollo proved Phoenix hadn't cheated. Orly is suspicious. Court break."
I'd like to have a song where Phoenix and Kristoph are talking in the prison, though. And can we please take a moment to acknowledge the fact that Phoenix was an art student and would have been very capable of reproducing that letter he took a picture of?
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Post by Oracle on Jul 6, 2016 18:14:41 GMT
Yeah, it's a lot more concise yet still gets the point across!
Yeah, that is a pretty good idea for a song! Perhaps like a "clash of the fallen attorneys" sorta thing like "you brought me down so i'll see you crash and burn" But like, yeah, but I guess it's all in the handwriting to make it convincing? He isn't vera after all, so it wouldn't be /exact/
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Post by Madfox on Jul 6, 2016 19:51:25 GMT
Yeah, it's a lot more concise yet still gets the point across! Yeah, that is a pretty good idea for a song! Perhaps like a "clash of the fallen attorneys" sorta thing like "you brought me down so i'll see you crash and burn" But like, yeah, but I guess it's all in the handwriting to make it convincing? He isn't vera after all, so it wouldn't be /exact/ Maya just agreed with me it must be the end of time Okay, but that evidence would be presented to the same judge who was fooled by a cardboard badge
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Post by Lumos314 on Jul 7, 2016 2:42:58 GMT
So, thinking about the plot in general... What if it was clear from the beginning that Misham was a forger? Maybe not that Vera was the real forger, but that they were a forging business? We could take a little creative license and tie the fact that they weren't arrested to the Dark Age of the Law as a reason that they were never arrested. Give some flat, stupid excuse and then imply that things are corrupt. That would shorten things a bit at the beginning.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 7, 2016 8:12:40 GMT
Yeah, it's a lot more concise yet still gets the point across! Yeah, that is a pretty good idea for a song! Perhaps like a "clash of the fallen attorneys" sorta thing like "you brought me down so i'll see you crash and burn" But like, yeah, but I guess it's all in the handwriting to make it convincing? He isn't vera after all, so it wouldn't be /exact/ Maya just agreed with me it must be the end of time Okay, but that evidence would be presented to the same judge who was fooled by a cardboard badge i'm sorry was i supposed to disagree-- xD ...that is true tbh so, he could probably get away with it... and lumos, that is a thing we could consider, since it would take some explaining out of later songs, so we could focus on other things more :3c
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Post by Madfox on Jul 12, 2016 14:42:55 GMT
So, thinking about the plot in general... What if it was clear from the beginning that Misham was a forger? Maybe not that Vera was the real forger, but that they were a forging business? We could take a little creative license and tie the fact that they weren't arrested to the Dark Age of the Law as a reason that they were never arrested. Give some flat, stupid excuse and then imply that things are corrupt. That would shorten things a bit at the beginning. It was clear from the beginning of the actual case. Apollo was checking out those paintings with Ema and immediately discovered that the paintings in the Misham household were forged.
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Post by spaceballsupreme on Jul 18, 2016 19:12:36 GMT
im not much of a lyric writer but when i was reading this thread i thought it would be pretty cool if, during kristophs final lines leading up to the famous scream it went kind of like this:
he starts off his verse melodically, and continues singing until the last lines, and it seems like he's going to end on a steady (albeit dramatic, probably) note, but instead, he doesnt- he just screams "WRIIIIIIIIIGHT" and theres no musicality to it at all, maybe the instruments could even fade out to silence just before the scream (or stop abruptly?) and his song ends there on kind of a terrifying mood- like "we bested him and it's over, this is what we've been working to accomplish, but..."
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Post by Oracle on Jul 18, 2016 22:25:12 GMT
oohhh,,, nessy ness ness i do like that actually! >:O
gotta make that krispy kreme donut as terrifying as possible
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